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    Default 2010 Mitsubishi 3D DLP Owners Thread (638/738/838 series)





    Have a 73" 738 sitting on the floor waiting to be hooked up. Calibration coming in May, will play with my personal meter soon.

    Link to Service Manual

    Here are some before and after geometry shots. Basically, for 1:1 pixel mapping you need to go into the service menu and remove factory geometry, or auto geometry as some call it. My geometry was very good outta the box, and not really affected after nulling it (removing it) in the SM. It also is showing more of the screen which I wanted, and I plan to test it both on and off vs a multiburst pattern. Images of that will be in a few days.

    After alignment of H and V


    Before Null


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    Before


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    Before


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    Elwaylite,

    That is great looking geometry for a DLP. I had a 73" Mitsubishi for about a month in the spring of 2009. I think the picture that they are capable of is wonderful. Unfortunately that is how I discovered that my eyes are very susceptible to the Rainbow Effect. Once you see RBE you can't un-see it so to speak. If I had not had that issue I never would have returned it to ABT. Great calibration controls and the best picture quality per dollar spent on any technology. It is no mystery that most Movie theaters are moving to DLP projection. You just can't beat it. Congratulations!

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    Thanks Bama. Im really impressed with this thing so far, and I understand why folks say it gives a film like experience, surprisingly on HD movies (HBO/Starz) it has a real 3D look to it all times, lot of depth. The flying scene from Christmas Carol 3D was crazy!!

    Got it all setup tonight. Did some Adv menu tweaking with BR calibration discs, then watched some Directv HD, Directv 3D, Blu-ray 3D and Blu-ray 2D-3D (BDT110).

    Direct HD, of course, looks a little more soft, but thats because it's blown up larger. Directv 3D looks pretty good, 3D Blu looks awesome, very surprised at the 3D depth, and the 2D-3D conversion of the BDT110 does an excellent job.

    Here it is with my new 18" high stand



    Did some testing with multiburst patterns, and yes the auto geometry correction, or factory settings does funky things, so I null'd it and saved over it. Test patterns look perfect now, will be using the meter for a fL and grayscale tweak tomorrow night.
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    I bet after you tame the grayscale it will look even better. Because there is so much screen real estate, the Blu-Ray's will obviously look the best. I am interested to hear how you Chroma 5 interacts with your new baby. If it had not been for the RBE, I definitely would have kept the Mitsubishi I had. The image was almost CRT like to me. Great contrast and color. I am looking forward to what you find out. I would love to be able to immerse myself in a 73" screen. Size really adds to the Home Theater experience.


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    I had to watch that Disney Demo disc a few times. In Christmas Carol 3D, when the candle lookin ghost grabs him and they take off into the city, then thru the snowy forest, holy hell. Then I was watching Dinosaurs 3D on Directv and when one of em turned around the tail swung at us, looked like it was gonna knock me outta the chair.

    Im really kicking myself for not buying that LED DLP Samsung a few years ago when I looked hard at em. I really like the image it puts out, and of course it has flaws, but they all do. I mean I cant really bitch about 73" at 9.5 feet. Dads coming over this weekend for Resident Evil After Life 3D, but Im truly truly looking forward to Tron Legacy 3D when the Blu-ray ships in April.

    Not seeing RBE yet, but I do see SSE. I am used to that from my RPLCD days, so it does not really bother me. Another thing I really like is, the bezel around the screen is only 1/2" thick, so when you are watching a movie in a dim room, or the dark, it just looks like a screen floating in the air, real nice.

    I'll post the charts tomorrow night or Thu day some time after I get done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elwaylite View Post
    Not seeing RBE yet, but I do see SSE. I am used to that from my RPLCD days, so it does not really bother me. Another thing I really like is, the bezel around the screen is only 1/2" thick, so when you are watching a movie in a dim room, or the dark, it just looks like a screen floating in the air, real nice.
    I am sure they have done a few things with the color wheel etc to minimize RBE. The DLP tech they use in movie theaters, where they use a three chip engine to drive the display, does not suffer from RBE like the single chip sets do. But for a home system it is much more practical to use the single chip design. Most people don't ever see RBE. Just my miss fortune to have eyes that see it easily.

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    Elway? Does this mean no VT-30?
    L2W you will be missed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bama29 View Post
    I am sure they have done a few things with the color wheel etc to minimize RBE. The DLP tech they use in movie theaters, where they use a three chip engine to drive the display, does not suffer from RBE like the single chip sets do. But for a home system it is much more practical to use the single chip design. Most people don't ever see RBE. Just my miss fortune to have eyes that see it easily.
    I think the newer 6 color wheels are supposed to help with RBE, but not sure.

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    Elway? Does this mean no VT-30?
    Nah, decided to go big. I'm less as concerned with overall image now, as more being into the movie. After watching some action scenes, im glad I went as big as possible. You get more of a feeling of being there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elwaylite View Post
    Nah, decided to go big. I'm less as concerned with overall image now, as more being into the movie. After watching some action scenes, im glad I went as big as possible. You get more of a feeling of being there.
    For the 3D effect to work, the most important variable is screen size. Meticulously executed 3D on a 30" screen will never have the desired effect, while decently executed 3D on a 70" screen will work great.

    Yours,

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    Im tellin ya, when I watched Dark Knight, I felt like I was riding in the car with the robbers, even my wife said something. We are sitting at a distance where I actually have to look at different prts of the screen, so it's filling the field of view, like a theater. I was never quite sold on this theory in the past, but I understand it now, and why FP is so hot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elwaylite View Post
    Im tellin ya, when I watched Dark Knight, I felt like I was riding in the car with the robbers, even my wife said something. We are sitting at a distance where I actually have to look at different prts of the screen, so it's filling the field of view, like a theater. I was never quite sold on this theory in the past, but I understand it now, and why FP is so hot.
    Now you know why I want to build a theater next year. The difference is profound, and when you get all the way to 100" and 110" for a projector, it is just fantastic.

    Yours,

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    I really like DLP tech. They handle motion wonderfully and that's why my last set was one.
    I own some stuff.

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    Guy I talk too bought the JVC 3D PJ and has a Oppo 93 hooked to it, Im sure its freakin impressive. Problem with this size, is you'd never wanna downgrade. We will be building a home in 2-3 years, and a PJ room, or the living room designed for a PJ (my preferred option) is how I will go. I'd soon watch everything on a 100" screen
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    Quote Originally Posted by Disco Batman View Post
    I really like DLP tech. They handle motion wonderfully and that's why my last set was one.
    I flirted around them in the past but never dove in. You read a LOT of complaints about geometry and this and that, and i think it scares folks aware more than Plasma rumors. The one rub is vertical veiwing angle, which needs to be right, but after that, Im real real happy with the image. In 2011 Mitsu brings a 92" DLP 3DTV to market
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    very nice DPL congrats

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    Quote Originally Posted by bama29 View Post
    Elwaylite,

    That is great looking geometry for a DLP. I had a 73" Mitsubishi for about a month in the spring of 2009. I think the picture that they are capable of is wonderful. Unfortunately that is how I discovered that my eyes are very susceptible to the Rainbow Effect. Once you see RBE you can't un-see it so to speak. If I had not had that issue I never would have returned it to ABT. Great calibration controls and the best picture quality per dollar spent on any technology. It is no mystery that most Movie theaters are moving to DLP projection. You just can't beat it. Congratulations!

    Michael
    I had a Sony and the rainbow effect drove me up the wall. Switched to Mits and never saw it again.
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    Ive been jerkin my eyes across the screen intentionally all night, and Ive seen it a few times. It's very weird, almost like a digital rainbow line is flashed in some part of the screen by the source.

    I can only see it in certain conditions, so at this point, I deem it moot for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elwaylite View Post
    Ive been jerkin my eyes across the screen intentionally all night, and Ive seen it a few times. It's very weird, almost like a digital rainbow line is flashed in some part of the screen by the source.

    I can only see it in certain conditions, so at this point, I deem it moot for me.
    With the Sony I saw it all the time with the Mits I never saw it. I didn't sit around trying to find it either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hdtvjunkie View Post
    With the Sony I saw it all the time with the Mits I never saw it. I didn't sit around trying to find it either.
    Understood. Only reason I was trying is it's in my nature. I feel its a non issue for me, but I could see where it'd be annoying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elwaylite View Post
    Understood. Only reason I was trying is it's in my nature. I feel its a non issue for me, but I could see where it'd be annoying.
    And its a concern a lot of customers have to deal with. Sometimes I think if the public didn't know about it they wouldn't notice it.
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