Official Panasonic TC-PXXVT30 Calibration Discussion

**Turbe** · 05-20-2011, 08:46 AM

Originally Posted by Gotchaa

Please tell us more about this Colormunki, how does it compare to the i1pro?

It compares very well. If you only have one meter, I recommend the EyeOne Pro first, Colormunki Spectro second... (yes I have a Colormunki Spectro, along with a few EyeOne Pros and a K-10)...

**donnymac** · 05-20-2011, 08:50 AM

In the Calman Panasonic VT30 calibration module it indicates that you can also control the display via an ethernet connection. This is an excerpt from the intro page.

"To connect to your display you will need either an RS-232 straight cable (female-female) and a RS-232 to USB adapter (we recommend the CalMAN Certified RS-232 to USB adapter for guaranteed operation), or a Wired/Wireless connection for IP control." It also shows this in their little wiring diagram.

**gadgtfreek** · 05-20-2011, 09:12 AM

Originally Posted by Turbe

It compares very well. If you only have one meter, I recommend the EyeOne Pro first, Colormunki Spectro second... (yes I have a Colormunki Spectro, along with a few EyeOne Pros and a K-10)...

That is basically the consensus I got when talking to folks in private. If there will "be only one"

, I1 pro. Next step is a K-10, but thats outta my ballpark.

**mtp3** · 05-20-2011, 11:53 AM

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According DonnyMac in the following post below, what is read has changed. Please disregard. Sorry.

The original link is http://www.spectracal.com/forum/view...&t=2675#p16486 which corresponds to what I posted below

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i read somewhere on the spectracal site or forum that DDC for the US VT30 can only be done by RS 232 and that IP support is only for the european model.#

Originally Posted by donnymac

In the Calman Panasonic VT30 calibration module it indicates that you can also control the display via an ethernet connection. This is an excerpt from the intro page.

"To connect to your display you will need either an RS-232 straight cable (female-female) and a RS-232 to USB adapter (we recommend the CalMAN Certified RS-232 to USB adapter for guaranteed operation), or a Wired/Wireless connection for IP control." It also shows this in their little wiring diagram.

**donnymac** · 05-20-2011, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by mtp3

i read somewhere on the spectracal site or forum that DDC for the US VT30 can only be done by RS 232 and that IP support is only for the european model.#

I asked this question to Spectracal a few minutes ago and here is their response.

by derekjsmith » Fri May 20, 2011 12:52 pm

donnymac wrote:
Is it possible to calibrate the US VT30/DT30 via ethernet connection or only through RS-232?

The US models have a RS-232 port but you need a 4 pin DIN to 9 pin adapter to use it, so I would say the ethernet is a much better way to go.Derek
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**Turbe** · 05-20-2011, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by donnymac

I asked this question to Spectracal a few minutes ago and here is their response.

by derekjsmith » Fri May 20, 2011 12:52 pm

donnymac wrote:
Is it possible to calibrate the US VT30/DT30 via ethernet connection or only through RS-232?

The US models have a RS-232 port but you need a 4 pin DIN to 9 pin adapter to use it, so I would say the ethernet is a much better way to go.Derek
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Here is the correct information I posted to his reply:

Actually, the VT30's use a 1/8" Stereo Phone Plug (like the tip of this: http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...ductId=2103225) to RS-232 DB9 adapter. Panasonic is including this (DB9 is Female, ~ 6")) with the US VT30's, at least they have with my VT30's here at my house and the ones I know other Calibrators have worked on recently (had to check in case I was shipped them specifically for testing).

**Gotchaa** · 05-20-2011, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by heckheck

Yes nice effort. It would be interesting to know where you ended up with the controls so we can compare notes. I wonder how transferable settings are on these panels.

Also, you are working from Warm1, correct? I found Warm2 to be a bit too ruddy in skintone after I started watching. I think I will switch to Warm1. How close to 6500K did your white point end up using Warm1?

Thanks,

-Jim

I am sure there are differences, but I am happy to post to compare, quite a few though, would be nice if an excel wizard threw together a settings sheet for us to fill out and post for consistency

**donnymac** · 05-20-2011, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by Turbe

Here is the correct information I posted to his reply:

Actually, the US VT30's use a 1/8" Stereo Phone Plug (like the tip of this: http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...ductId=2103225) to RS-232 DB9 adapter. Panasonic is including this (DB9 is Female, ~ 6")) with the US VT30's, at least they have with my VT30's here at my house and the ones I know other Calibrators have worked on recently (had to check in case I was shipped them specifically for testing).

HI shawn,

Obviously you saw my posts at Spectracal with Joel. What you are saying is what I was trying to get across to him. The user manual clearly shows the dongle cable with the stereo plug. The Calman software says to use the F-F 232 cable with a usb adapter attached. Have you encountered any problems with the USB adapters as he indicated exist? To me it is a mute point since I will use the ethernet connection.

**Gotchaa** · 05-20-2011, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by Turbe

ControlCAL has complete support for the VT30 ISFccc including n quick copy of settings to another memory (including 10pt), Full CMS, 10 pt W/B Now etc.

I came across this last week, saw that VT25 was on the list. it was unclear to me what the requirements were to use this tool. I think the ISFccc modes would be good if I could get more brightness out, and Panasonic had working firmware, as I heard it was not working properly.

What is the cost for this?

**Gotchaa** · 05-20-2011, 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by donnymac

HI shawn,

Obviously you saw my posts at Spectracal with Joel. What you are saying is what I was trying to get across to him. The user manual clearly shows the dongle cable with the stereo plug. The Calman software says to use the F-F 232 cable with a usb adapter attached. Have you encountered any problems with the USB adapters as he indicated exist? To me it is a mute point since I will use the ethernet connection.

Can you clarify the control cal tool let's you connect via the IP of the TV? So rs232 commands are sent via IP to the VT30?

**Gotchaa** · 05-20-2011, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by Turbe

Here is the correct information I posted to his reply:

Actually, the US VT30's use a 1/8" Stereo Phone Plug (like the tip of this: http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...ductId=2103225) to RS-232 DB9 adapter. Panasonic is including this (DB9 is Female, ~ 6")) with the US VT30's, at least they have with my VT30's here at my house and the ones I know other Calibrators have worked on recently (had to check in case I was shipped them specifically for testing).

I have this cable, it came with the TV, didn't plug it in since I figured I could use IP if I ever needed RS232, just need confirmation it can be done

**donnymac** · 05-20-2011, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by Gotchaa

Can you clarify the control cal tool let's you connect via the IP of the TV? So rs232 commands are sent via IP to the VT30?

Calman will connect to the VT30 via ethernet connection to run the calibration. As far as ControlCal software Turbe would have to answer that question. I am sure it would also work via IP.

**Gotchaa** · 05-20-2011, 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by donnymac

Calman will connect to the VT30 via ethernet connection to run the calibration. As far as ControlCal software Turbe would have to answer that question. I am sure it would also work via IP.

Is this their auto cal or regular cal as well?

One thing that sucked using the menu was the contestant going into menu and exiting to see results, I am assuming when you interface with the controls, via rs232 over IP, you get direct access to all menus/submenus without going through menus correct?

I can see how this would save a load of time...

**donnymac** · 05-20-2011, 06:02 PM

With Calman there are 3 different ways to calibrate the VT30 auto, interactive and manual. What you have depends on your license. Go to this thread and it is all explained. http://spectracal.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=2675

**Turbe** · 05-20-2011, 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by Gotchaa

One thing that sucked using the menu was the contestant going into menu and exiting to see results, I am assuming when you interface with the controls, via rs232 over IP, you get direct access to all menus/submenus without going through menus correct?

I can see how this would save a load of time...

Correct...really no reason to use the Remote Control and navigate several different menus. Here is an pic for the CMS Controls

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**Gotchaa** · 05-23-2011, 04:06 PM

Folks I am posting results from doing a re-cal using 75% amplitude colors. It certainly resulted in settings changes but it looks like it was pretty close to being perfect this time short of Magenta.

At any rate, this display actually got picked up by BB/MHT today and if anyone wants it, look for a floor model@ the Pasadena store.

It was returned due to the moir patterns that appeared in extreme angles, which had no direct view impact thus far. Bad news is it appears to be a similar issue on the new display so it may just be within spec...who knows.

Anyhow report of TV returned attached...

Now I will be upset if I can't get the replacement display tuned in as well..so far no dead pixels, and FB is unknown...

**Gotchaa** · 05-23-2011, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by Turbe

Correct...really no reason to use the Remote Control and navigate several different menus. Here is an pic for the CMS Controls

Attachment 4543

Turbe what is required to use your controlcal tool for the VT30?

**mtp3** · 05-24-2011, 07:50 AM

Originally Posted by Gotchaa

Folks I am posting results from doing a re-cal using 75% amplitude colors.

I am impressed... I am waiting for my colorimeter to arrive in the post. Hopefully I will be able to do the same.

Good Job!!

**Turbe** · 05-24-2011, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by Gotchaa

Turbe what is required to use your controlcal tool for the VT30?

ControlCAL v1.x requires Windows XP to Windows 7 (I use/develop on Windows 7 64 bit), Serial Port / USB Serial Adapter. For the VT30, I suggest using a USB Extension Cable with a supported USB Serial Adapter.

I'll provide more details for ControlCAL v2.x requirements when it is released.

**Gotchaa** · 05-24-2011, 09:02 PM

Originally Posted by Turbe

ControlCAL v1.x requires Windows XP to Windows 7 (I use/develop on Windows 7 64 bit), Serial Port / USB Serial Adapter. For the VT30, I suggest using a USB Extension Cable with a supported USB Serial Adapter.

I'll provide more details for ControlCAL v2.x requirements when it is released.

I am ready to beta test now. I already have the prolific USB adapter on w7x64 from day job and USB extension. TV comes with the serial adapter so just need your software to get rolling...did I mention that I am an Alpha tester for my day jobs product releases on several different lines

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