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    Default Official Panasonic ST50 Series Thread

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    I user at another forum said he received his "55 st50 and this was his impression so far:








    "So just got my 55in ST50 in today and first impressions are generally good. The new louver filter is insane, it is just short of being a matte screen. Very good at not reflecting light, but I find some clarity/sharpness is taken away by having that type of screen (more so in video games). So its up in the air right now.

    So far NO BUZZING! There is a little fan noise but that is to be expected. Aesthetically it looks very much like last years Samsung plasma TVs, which is nice. I haven't messed around with the setting too much, def. in need of calibration as out of the box the picture is just OK.

    Input lag on video games doesn't even seem to be an issue, I am not using Game mode and I don't notice any input lag.

    So far no sign of IR and I didn't run any break in slides, just let it warm up to room temp. And that is after playing video games with static images.

    Can't comment on 3d since in all their wisdom, Panny decided not to include glasses and there aren't any 2012 Bluetooth glasses released yet. Fun!

    Might try to use the ST30 calibration settings and see what that does or will have to wait a couple months for pro's to do this TV. So far I'm happy but I am still deciding on that screen for video games...."

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    Default Re: Panasonic Plasma Insiders' Discussion Thread

    Robert Zohn posted pictures and said he has been breaking the St50 in since early this week, and we can expect a review this evening!




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    Default Re: Panasonic Plasma Insiders' Discussion Thread

    Review is up on his facebook page

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    "I've been viewing our ST50 for the past few days I have not noticed any green blobs or fluctuating brightness. I've enjoyed watching this TV with quite a bit of varied content, DIRECTV, BD, and lots of streaming. Today I invited my very good friend Ed Johnson to do the calibration and take all of the measurements.

    Pre-Calibration, in the Custom mode we made one small adjustment to set the color temperature to "Warm 2" and the gamma was 2.1 and pretty flat with a slight bump at 90 IRE and the color temperature was 6874K, not bad for one small adjustment, however MLL, color accuracy was not great before calibration. To the eye with BD content color saturation was good.

    Post Calibration this baby peaked its performance very nicely. We got the gamma to 2.2 and as flat as a pancake across all IREs. With the contrast properly adjusted to 80 we measured the peak luminance *44fl without clipping. With the dynamic contrast white clipping chart we could barely see the 250 scale, which is very good. And the MLL measured *.0047fl, also very good. Then we generated the ANSI 16 square checkerboard and calculated ANSI contrast ratio of 5350 : 1.

    *Note, with the ANSI checker board the peak luminance measured 29.4fl and the MLL is .005fl. The drop in luminance and black level is normal for plasma displays.

    Color temperature was a near perfect 6549K.

    Quick review and statistics: Panasonic's TC-P50ST50 has very good overall picture quality. After calibration we measured the black level at .0047fl and peak luminance is improved this year. We were able to calibrate our first ST50 to 44fl with no clipping. Color accuracy and color saturation is above average. The built-in video processing is effective with all content.

    Panasonic did a good job in redesigning the 2012 ST50 compared to the 2011 ST30 series. In particular, I like the increased brightness, built-in Wi Fi and web browser. Another design change this year is the detachable power cord! I have been very vocal about this with Panasonic engineering and management in all of my discussions so I'm glad to see them follow some of my suggestions.

    The second generation louver filter is nicely improved so the black level is maintained slightly better this year when the room lights are on so the contrast ratio is acceptable, which is a welcome improvement over previous plasma generations.

    1080p/24 Blu-ray sources delivers a beautiful picture. The ST50 exhibited excellent screen uniformity. Thankfully this year Panasonic's UT50/ST50/GT50/VT50 features integrated Wi Fi and all VIERA Smart series TVs come with web browsers. I love the Internet suite of apps and the easy to navigate GUI makes the apps easy to access and use.

    Refresh rate is selectable in 48Hz or 60Hz, but again this year the ST50 did not perform well at 48Hz as the judder (flickering) was too much to handle so again I suggest using 60Hz for all content. The 3:2 pull down works well so even BD 1080p 24 looks stable and clean at 60Hz.

    In the Custom mode you have the most settings available, but they are limited to; gray scale control you only have two point adjustments RGB high or Low, gamma are 1.8, 2.2, 2.4, 2.6 and S curve, we selected 2.6 and ended up with a flat 2.2. Although the color points are close I would like to see a color management system on the ST50 and GT50. However another nice upgrade this year is the three-step Motion Smoother de-judder control. Last year they only had two levels of Motion smoother adjustment. While we're on design upgrades; kudos for giving us a swivel pedestal stand.

    Available connections are less than I would like. For video they left out VGA and only 3 HDMI inputs. The optical Tos Link output unfortunately limits the surround sound to 2 channel audio. Two USB and one SD card slot are located on the rear left side.

    Here's what I did not like: The ST50 design is not as modern and sleek as Samsung's, LG's plasma TVs or the ST50's big brother GT50 and VT50 series. The ST50 has fewer picture controls than the competition and doesn't include 3D glasses. My other complaint is that you can't properly set-up a day-time and night-time modes as only the Custom mode has enough settings to peak the contrast ratio performance. The VT50 will solve this by offering ISF day and ISf night modes and give us 10 point settings.

    Finally, although priced well, Samsung and LG still offers more features at even a lower price tag.

    Regardless of the reliability of this review I'm anxious to do our Shoot-out so we can compare all of the panels next to each-other and determine who truly makes the best display. Mid April we're doing a mini pdp 2012 Shoot-out event with Samsung's E8000 series, Panasonic's GT50 and LG's PM9700. Let the games begin!

    Hope you enjoyed my review. Any questions or comments?

    -Robert"




    Cliffs:


    Things he liked:

    -.0047 Mll
    -44fl without clipping
    -5350:1 ANSI contrast




    Things he didn't like:

    -Design is not as modern and sleek as Samsung and Lg, or GT50 and Vt50
    -Can't properly set up day and night time modes
    -Although priced well, Samsung and LG still offers more features at even a lower price tag



    Overall impressions, very good.

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    Default Re: Panasonic Plasma Insiders' Discussion Thread

    Well, if his 50ST50 numbers are accurate, those are definite improvements over the 50ST30. I believe the MLL was around .008 to .009 on that size and the gamma was not real flat. I would like to see his full calibration report.

    I am very curious how the 65" ST/GT/VT50 sizes come out to be as this is a good sign. I think .025 MLLs are a possibility if we extrapolate the numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidHir View Post
    Well, if his 50ST50 numbers are accurate, those are definite improvements over the 50ST30. I believe the MLL was around .008 to .009 on that size and the gamma was not real flat. I would like to see his full calibration report.

    I am very curious how the 65" ST/GT/VT50 sizes come out to be as this is a good sign. I think .025 MLLs are a possibility if we extrapolate the numbers.
    Indeed. This is one single review. I'd like to see more and then take a better opinion.
    former pana guy. if you own a pana from pz700 to zt60 i thank you for buying what i poured my soul into.
    now just a normal member who has some insight and some sources.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidHir View Post
    Well, if his 50ST50 numbers are accurate, those are definite improvements over the 50ST30. I believe the MLL was around .008 to .009 on that size and the gamma was not real flat. I would like to see his full calibration report.

    I am very curious how the 65" ST/GT/VT50 sizes come out to be as this is a good sign.
    The only thing about the review I am skeptical about is the mll reading. Ed Johnson's meter last year measured incorrect numbers. Unless he had his meter calibrated/fixed, I expect the Mll to be little higher.

    St50 seems to be big improvement over st30 so far

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    Agreed on the meter read. However, I don't think it'll be much over .006 ft/L if any, since last year Ed had the GT30 at .0042, while D-Nice was measuring .0051. Still, I'm just impressed that there's no line bleed. And knowing that there is a greater jump in performance between the lines this year, I'm very interested to see what kind of performance comes from the GT and VT.

    Another impressive thing is the ANSI peak luminance. That is very impressive, with only a small jump in mll.

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    Thats a positive initial review for the ST50. It would be nice to see the full calibration report, I agree. I am particularly interested in the color accuracy/decoding as this was such an issue in last year's models. Seems the ST50 may be a very nice value proposition for folks. That ANSI contrast is a good number for a TV at this price point.

    Also, I didn't realize the stand could swivel. For whatever reason I thought it was stationary on all the 2012 models. as in previous years.

    I am anticipating the VT50 reviews, can't wait to hear about them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmarceau View Post
    Agreed on the meter read. However, I don't think it'll be much over .006 ft/L if any, since last year Ed had the GT30 at .0042, while D-Nice was measuring .0051. Still, I'm just impressed that there's no line bleed. And knowing that there is a greater jump in performance between the lines this year, I'm very interested to see what kind of performance comes from the GT and VT.

    Another impressive thing is the ANSI peak luminance. That is very impressive, with only a small jump in mll.

    Ed also measured the 55" vt30 as having .002 mll, way off. I hope the St50's real Mll is at least below .007

    I'd like to hear more about how accurate the color is

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    guy's Ilove good reviews but in my honest opinion, i have the opinion that roberts reviews are highly biased and always in favor of panasonic's tv's/ Now don't get in an uproar, we have all (well us older,as in time on this site, guys on here) been through this before with robert and all things panasonic. I was once also " in awe" of roberts reviews and blah blah blah,but I would really want to hear some reviews of someone not so involved with panasonic. Yes robert sells other brands but we all know where his loyalties lie. All in all yes, a good review, and glad to hear it, but I would really like a review from chris at cp, his review will not be biased in the least.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tonyjd40 View Post
    guy's Ilove good reviews but in my honest opinion, i have the opinion that roberts reviews are highly biased and always in favor of panasonic's tv's/ Now don't get in an uproar, we have all (well us older,as in time on this site, guys on here) been through this before with robert and all things panasonic. I was once also " in awe" of roberts reviews and blah blah blah,but I would really want to hear some reviews of someone not so involved with panasonic. Yes robert sells other brands but we all know where his loyalties lie. All in all yes, a good review, and glad to hear it, but I would really like a review from chris at cp, his review will not be biased in the least.


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    I kinda agree with you, he overhyped the vt30 and vx 300 are having close to 9g kuro blacks. and even went so far to say that the Gt30 was better than the D7000, which all was very wrong imo. But, while RObert does have infatucation with Panasonic, he is a really nice guy and I still love hearing his impressions.

    I always base the real evaluations when D-Nice and Kevin Miller give their impressions. Those two are always spot on and unbiased.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3reach View Post
    I kinda agree with you, he overhyped the vt30 and vx 300 are having close to 9g kuro blacks. and even went so far to say that the Gt30 was better than the D7000, which all was very wrong imo. But, while RObert does have infatucation with Panasonic, he is a really nice guy and I still love hearing his impressions.

    I always base the real evaluations when D-Nice and Kevin Miller give their impressions. Those two are always spot on and unbiased.

    very well said. thank you.


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    Well, the st50 owner I quoted earlier is saying that he is experiencing some kind of brightness fluctuation.....but yet he says it only happened watching a hockey game only, no other programming, yet is returning it? .......wtf does he not realize it could be his source (the hockey game)


    "TV wasn't experiencing this problem till i turned on the hockey game. Picture started off dim (where I had it set ) then all of a sudden popped to a very high brightness and continued to do this (like a strobe light) till it gave me a headache and i turned it off. Tried messing with the settings and didn't have any luck. This did not happen on any other programming, but i know its not a cable thing. Returning the Tv for the Sony Hx929 sunday. Sorry guys. Maybe it was just a fluke and hopefully not to the same degree the 2011 plasmas had.


    BTW - No this is not my first plasma. Owned the Samsung C8000 for a year, then tried the Samsung d6500 and now this set. The c8000 was fine except a lot of crosstalk during 3d. Im done fighting with the plasma sets for now, the sony should hold me over till oled."

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    Between CATS, the in-arena strobes, the nearly full white screen, plasma ABL... hockey is a torture test. Without being sure some of the torture was even mitigated, it's impossible to draw a conclusion about this report.

    That said, aggressive auto-brightness limiting is the thing I most fear about the new VT50.... And if anything, that will be my one dealbreaker.

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    you will find people that buy a tv and then after the warranty is almost up they all of a sudden " have a problem". I take reports like this lightly. He could have seen something and after hearing all of the problems of the 2011 panasonics he may have gotten scared and from there all he could think about was getting rid of that tv. May not have really been the tv, or could have been fixed but, thats what is happening when there is too many people posting too many things and sometimes posting incorrectly. More and more the benefits of going and seeing a tv for yourself and making your own (informed) decision is the best thing to do. Listening to reviews is great but you really need to temper that information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogo View Post
    Between CATS, the in-arena strobes, the nearly full white screen, plasma ABL... hockey is a torture test. Without being sure some of the torture was even mitigated, it's impossible to draw a conclusion about this report.

    That said, aggressive auto-brightness limiting is the thing I most fear about the new VT50.... And if anything, that will be my one dealbreaker.
    I would be very worried if he said it is doing it on all content, but he said it only happened during 1 tv show. To return it for just that is laughable. At this point, there is no question it was the source.

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    Now he says he is seeing it on more content

    "CATS was turned off, I was able to get it to happen again during a basketball game and during a video game. During the basketball game it did the same thing as in the hockey game. During the video game it did the same thing but not as drastic of a change, this was going from a bright area to a shaded area in the game."

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    Default Official Panasonic ST50 SeriesThread


    Link to ST50 Quick Start Guide with schematics and dimensions for the 50", 55", 60", and 65" models:
    http://service.us.panasonic.com/OPER.../TCP50ST50.PDF


    Link to the more detailed ST50 E-Help Manual (the one that's built into the TV):
    http://service.us.panasonic.com/OPER...-HELP_ST50.PDF


    Link to CNet 55ST50 Review:
    http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-t...continue;page2


    Link to ST50 information page:
    http://panasonic.net/avc/viera/us201...a_gallery.html
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