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    This review was pulled from the "other" site do to political issues with Runco "Alan's words not mine."

    I hope this is helpful for anyone looking to upgrade or maybe just a little more information.

    I currently own and use a Vidikron Vision 75 which is very similar to a Runco RS-1100 or 100 Ultra… Kind of in-between. I believe it has a dark chip2 with 1290 ANSI Lumens CSMS Calibrated 589 max. Used on a 1.0 gain 120” screen. I use an Oppo Digital BDP-93 as the source and the HDMI goes direct to my PJ as I do not have a current SSP. Currently in the process of upgrading my good old B&K Ref 30
    Not ISF Calibrated but used HD Basics and Spear BD.

    All projectors were viewed in complete dark, low light, and all lights on in a large hotel ball room.
    The LS-3 was on by itself and at the same time as the LS-10 and Q-750.
    The LS-10 was on by itself and with the other two as well.
    The Q-750 was on by itself and with the other two as well.

    LS-3 (Single chip Dark Chip 4, 1000 ANSI Lumens, CSMS Calibrated 691)
    Recommended for 72-96 max 120. Shown on a 120” 1.3 StudioTek
    First off this is a much brighter projector than just a few years ago for the same output and not just because of the 1.3 screen. The brightness is as much from the increased calibrated output as it is from the much greater contrast. The Vidikron has CSMS 230:1 while the new LS-3 has 385:1 or a 67% increase! This is by far the main reason to go from a older to new single chip projector. The blacks rivaled the 3 chip, not as deep by for the price of the LS-3 compared to the LS-10 there is not a $15K difference in performance. As for RBA or “rainbow” affect, which I can see in many scenes with my Vidikron, I could not see any with the LS-3. I moved my head side to side, had them play scenes I had seen the RBA in the past and nothing. The LS-3 presented a clean crisp good color saturated picture. The colors were not as good as the LS-10d ($23,000), which in turn were not as good as the D-73d ($49,990). At least you actually get more for your money than a fancy looking PJ. There was also no motion blur while watching fast action, super bowl and Dark Knight. For the price I would change out my projector today if I did not covet the D-73d and other LED projectors so much.

    LS-10 (3 Chip dark chip 4, 2100 ANSI Lumens, CSMS calibrated 1440)
    Recommended for 72-120 max 180. Shown on a 160” 1.3 StudioTek
    This projector has a lower contrast ratio at >250:1 than the LS-3, but in actual viewing it was not a noticeable difference. I attribute this to the size of the screen and the immersive colors. The LS-10 had beautifully deep reds and great yellows only bested by the Q and D series billions of colors vs. the multimillions for the LS series. The brightness was not as pronounced on this large screen as the LS-3 seemed on the 120” however there was no viewing fatigue what so ever. The sharpness was amazing. I had the factory personal freeze frame a few times and the details between the LS-3 and 10 were not staggering, but they were there; much sharper. However, compared to the Q and D series much more digital looking. The Q/D series has a very movie like film like appearance. A very fluid and soft picture while being extremely crisp, clean, and sharp. It is hard to explain if you have not seen the PJs in action. If you are looking for near perfect colors, an ultra-sharp picture, no “RBA” and a light cannon then this is your clear choice. The LS-10 is available with the scalar in a separate DHD-4 box for easier integration, however, I was told the properties and abilities are exactly the same as the built-in “i” versions.
    I have not seen it but was told the PJ is cleaner than a VX-22 but not as good contrast (>400:1) and only 65 CSMS Calibrated ANSI lumens shy of the VX-22.
    OK onto the brand new only one LED 3d projector in the world…. As far as I know.
    The D-73d is the same chassis as the Q-1500d and by blocking one of the lenses becomes a Q-750d as well. I was able to watch all three versions in action for about 30 minutes total.
    ALL Three are single chip DMD 4. All use Phlatlight 120 RGB LEDs for a light source. All three were shown on the all new 5D (i.e. 3D plus 2D) Stewart screen at 99” and a 3.0 gain!
    Colors have up to 50% higher contrast than Mercury or Xenon lamp systems
    Q-1500d and D-73d (2d recommended 72-132” max 200) (3D recommended 72-100” max 120)
    2D CSMS calibrated 900 ANSI Lumens, 1400 ANSI Lumens total high output (i.e. both lenses on)
    2D same as Q-750 standard brightness.
    3D 311 CSMS Calibrated ANSI Lumens, 483 ANSI Lumens.
    Contrast >330:1

    Q-750d (recommended 72-92” max 108”) 450 CSMS ANSI Lumens, 700 ANSI Lumens.
    Contrast >330:1

    The Runco system uses stereoscopic 3D… passive glasses that are only polarized. I have used Nvidia N-Vision 3D with active glasses and other company 3D with active shutter glasses and they give me a horrible headache not to mention very uncomfortable for people (like me) that already wear glasses. They polarized glasses are cheap, free with the projector, and weigh nothing. They also have clip-ons for people who wear glasses!

    Although not pushed as hard as the Sim2 Mico 50/60 at (800 ANSI Lumens) and not nearly as hard as the TruVue Vango at (100 ANSI Lumens) the Q/D look so much brighter than they are. The D-73 was relaxing and amazing immersive to watch. The characters jumped of the screen much further than with any other home 3D technology; think Real D 3D cinema quality not ooh that looks good and I cannot wait until they make it better. This projector is ready for prime time now. The colors were the best of any projector I have ever seen. The calibrated image was crystal clear, clean with no artifacts even in high motion film, and crisp. The saturation and edge definition were nothing short of perfect. This projectors makes the $20,000 LS-10 look it should; an entry level projector compared to the image. Now yes this was on a much smaller screen, but with both projector running the same clip in unison the difference was visible at all levels. Even the 10 year old kid in the room was able to see how much better the image was, and he was only there to find a new gaming projector. We all need parents like his!
    As for 3D I am not sure what else to say. This is the future of 3d Projectors. The DHD IV controller actually has 9 points within the field to “tweak.” This allows any and every issue or lens aberration to be corrected with the controller for flawless video.
    Staying on the same 5D screen both the Q-1500 and Q-750 were as clean, crisp, and artifact free with the deepest colors you will ever see. Let me stress the colors are natural and not oversaturated. The images simply look alive and almost 3D. The shadow detail is amazing. When a screen faded to black the LEDs turn completely off and the screen is, well, black. The real dynamic range of these projectors is amazing.
    I was lucky enough to see the Q-750i at Blu Note AV in Denver a few days prior in alight controlled room and on a 138” 2.35 StudioTek 1.3 gain screen!!! Anyone who thinks these LEDs do not have the power for a large screen are wrong. In a true light controlled room on this large screen the colors, contrast, and crispness were still all very much present.

    Watching Dark Knight, Monsters vs. Aliens, the Super Bowl, and a few video games all yielded the same response. No lag, no “RBA,” the same deep colors, crisp, clean sharp images. For a single chip machine the RGB LEDs make the difference.

    Now let us compare the Runco Q-750 to the Sim2 Mico 40 and 50, which I auditioned within 18 hours of seeing the Runco projectors.

    While the Mico 40/50 were in light controlled spaces and calibrated on similar 1.3 and 1.5 gain non Stewart screens the image is not the same. The best one line summary of the Mico series is a great projector you will never have to worry about changing a bulb ever again. However, I would not use most of the same adjectives to describe the image I saw on either. The image is crisp, detailed, great not amazing shadow, very deep looking; 3d like, but nothing like the Runco. The colors were tight, the edges well defined, but the color looked just a little better than any other projector. The “black” bars above and below certain scenes were no darker than the black bars on the LS-3 or even my Vidikron 75. One dealer told me they were expecting a firmware update to fix contrast issues and deepen the colors. I hope to see the “updated” Mico. The first words out of my wife’s mouth were, “Is that really the projector you dragged me down here to see.” After seeing the Q and D series the night before I understood here disappointment. The Mico just looked good not great. A definite upgrade from an older single and even an older 3 chip, but not a replacement for a current generation 3 chip.

    I went into this past week with enthusiasm looking to replace my 18 month old Vidikron with a new LED lamp less projector that was going to blow away the competition. I found the one I want without a question in my mind. The Runco even with less light output rules the home theater room. I will tell you the truth I was really hoping the Mico/TruVue was going to win since AVS offers that projector for a retail of 2/3rd the price the Runco. To me this would have been the best of both worlds. Get the best projector for the cheapest of all three prices. Unfortunately I would rather save and wait to be able to afford a Runco Q-750i than know I could have had one for a few thousand more. It is not the price I am worried about, but the picture quality. The Runco makes you ask how much light is that. The Mico makes you ask what else do I get for 22K.
    So it is either Runco or bust for my next LED projector.

    I am not being paid by anyone for my review, I am not a rep nor have I been asked to write my impressions. I do not represent AVS and this is not at all in retaliation for removing my thread about the Runco. This is just one man’s opinion about the different LED and traditional projectors viewed.

    If you have any further questions please let me know. I am willing to speak to anyone if you want more information.
    Thanks,
    David

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    RUNCO Q-750i (Vidikron 75 SOLD)
    Screen: 120" 16:9 gain 1.1

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    Quote Originally Posted by rovingtravler View Post
    This review was pulled from the "other" site do to political issues with Runco "Alan's words not mine."

    I hope this is helpful for anyone looking to upgrade or maybe just a little more information.

    I currently own and use a Vidikron Vision 75 which is very similar to a Runco RS-1100 or 100 Ultra… Kind of in-between. I believe it has a dark chip2 with 1290 ANSI Lumens CSMS Calibrated 589 max. Used on a 1.0 gain 120” screen. I use an Oppo Digital BDP-93 as the source and the HDMI goes direct to my PJ as I do not have a current SSP. Currently in the process of upgrading my good old B&K Ref 30
    Not ISF Calibrated but used HD Basics and Spear BD.

    All projectors were viewed in complete dark, low light, and all lights on in a large hotel ball room.
    The LS-3 was on by itself and at the same time as the LS-10 and Q-750.
    The LS-10 was on by itself and with the other two as well.
    The Q-750 was on by itself and with the other two as well.

    LS-3 (Single chip Dark Chip 4, 1000 ANSI Lumens, CSMS Calibrated 691)
    Recommended for 72-96 max 120. Shown on a 120” 1.3 StudioTek
    First off this is a much brighter projector than just a few years ago for the same output and not just because of the 1.3 screen. The brightness is as much from the increased calibrated output as it is from the much greater contrast. The Vidikron has CSMS 230:1 while the new LS-3 has 385:1 or a 67% increase! This is by far the main reason to go from a older to new single chip projector. The blacks rivaled the 3 chip, not as deep by for the price of the LS-3 compared to the LS-10 there is not a $15K difference in performance. As for RBA or “rainbow” affect, which I can see in many scenes with my Vidikron, I could not see any with the LS-3. I moved my head side to side, had them play scenes I had seen the RBA in the past and nothing. The LS-3 presented a clean crisp good color saturated picture. The colors were not as good as the LS-10d ($23,000), which in turn were not as good as the D-73d ($49,990). At least you actually get more for your money than a fancy looking PJ. There was also no motion blur while watching fast action, super bowl and Dark Knight. For the price I would change out my projector today if I did not covet the D-73d and other LED projectors so much.

    LS-10 (3 Chip dark chip 4, 2100 ANSI Lumens, CSMS calibrated 1440)
    Recommended for 72-120 max 180. Shown on a 160” 1.3 StudioTek
    This projector has a lower contrast ratio at >250:1 than the LS-3, but in actual viewing it was not a noticeable difference. I attribute this to the size of the screen and the immersive colors. The LS-10 had beautifully deep reds and great yellows only bested by the Q and D series billions of colors vs. the multimillions for the LS series. The brightness was not as pronounced on this large screen as the LS-3 seemed on the 120” however there was no viewing fatigue what so ever. The sharpness was amazing. I had the factory personal freeze frame a few times and the details between the LS-3 and 10 were not staggering, but they were there; much sharper. However, compared to the Q and D series much more digital looking. The Q/D series has a very movie like film like appearance. A very fluid and soft picture while being extremely crisp, clean, and sharp. It is hard to explain if you have not seen the PJs in action. If you are looking for near perfect colors, an ultra-sharp picture, no “RBA” and a light cannon then this is your clear choice. The LS-10 is available with the scalar in a separate DHD-4 box for easier integration, however, I was told the properties and abilities are exactly the same as the built-in “i” versions.
    I have not seen it but was told the PJ is cleaner than a VX-22 but not as good contrast (>400:1) and only 65 CSMS Calibrated ANSI lumens shy of the VX-22.
    OK onto the brand new only one LED 3d projector in the world…. As far as I know.
    The D-73d is the same chassis as the Q-1500d and by blocking one of the lenses becomes a Q-750d as well. I was able to watch all three versions in action for about 30 minutes total.
    ALL Three are single chip DMD 4. All use Phlatlight 120 RGB LEDs for a light source. All three were shown on the all new 5D (i.e. 3D plus 2D) Stewart screen at 99” and a 3.0 gain!
    Colors have up to 50% higher contrast than Mercury or Xenon lamp systems
    Q-1500d and D-73d (2d recommended 72-132” max 200) (3D recommended 72-100” max 120)
    2D CSMS calibrated 900 ANSI Lumens, 1400 ANSI Lumens total high output (i.e. both lenses on)
    2D same as Q-750 standard brightness.
    3D 311 CSMS Calibrated ANSI Lumens, 483 ANSI Lumens.
    Contrast >330:1

    Q-750d (recommended 72-92” max 108”) 450 CSMS ANSI Lumens, 700 ANSI Lumens.
    Contrast >330:1

    The Runco system uses stereoscopic 3D… passive glasses that are only polarized. I have used Nvidia N-Vision 3D with active glasses and other company 3D with active shutter glasses and they give me a horrible headache not to mention very uncomfortable for people (like me) that already wear glasses. They polarized glasses are cheap, free with the projector, and weigh nothing. They also have clip-ons for people who wear glasses!

    Although not pushed as hard as the Sim2 Mico 50/60 at (800 ANSI Lumens) and not nearly as hard as the TruVue Vango at (100 ANSI Lumens) the Q/D look so much brighter than they are. The D-73 was relaxing and amazing immersive to watch. The characters jumped of the screen much further than with any other home 3D technology; think Real D 3D cinema quality not ooh that looks good and I cannot wait until they make it better. This projector is ready for prime time now. The colors were the best of any projector I have ever seen. The calibrated image was crystal clear, clean with no artifacts even in high motion film, and crisp. The saturation and edge definition were nothing short of perfect. This projectors makes the $20,000 LS-10 look it should; an entry level projector compared to the image. Now yes this was on a much smaller screen, but with both projector running the same clip in unison the difference was visible at all levels. Even the 10 year old kid in the room was able to see how much better the image was, and he was only there to find a new gaming projector. We all need parents like his!
    As for 3D I am not sure what else to say. This is the future of 3d Projectors. The DHD IV controller actually has 9 points within the field to “tweak.” This allows any and every issue or lens aberration to be corrected with the controller for flawless video.
    Staying on the same 5D screen both the Q-1500 and Q-750 were as clean, crisp, and artifact free with the deepest colors you will ever see. Let me stress the colors are natural and not oversaturated. The images simply look alive and almost 3D. The shadow detail is amazing. When a screen faded to black the LEDs turn completely off and the screen is, well, black. The real dynamic range of these projectors is amazing.
    I was lucky enough to see the Q-750i at Blu Note AV in Denver a few days prior in alight controlled room and on a 138” 2.35 StudioTek 1.3 gain screen!!! Anyone who thinks these LEDs do not have the power for a large screen are wrong. In a true light controlled room on this large screen the colors, contrast, and crispness were still all very much present.

    Watching Dark Knight, Monsters vs. Aliens, the Super Bowl, and a few video games all yielded the same response. No lag, no “RBA,” the same deep colors, crisp, clean sharp images. For a single chip machine the RGB LEDs make the difference.

    Now let us compare the Runco Q-750 to the Sim2 Mico 40 and 50, which I auditioned within 18 hours of seeing the Runco projectors.

    While the Mico 40/50 were in light controlled spaces and calibrated on similar 1.3 and 1.5 gain non Stewart screens the image is not the same. The best one line summary of the Mico series is a great projector you will never have to worry about changing a bulb ever again. However, I would not use most of the same adjectives to describe the image I saw on either. The image is crisp, detailed, great not amazing shadow, very deep looking; 3d like, but nothing like the Runco. The colors were tight, the edges well defined, but the color looked just a little better than any other projector. The “black” bars above and below certain scenes were no darker than the black bars on the LS-3 or even my Vidikron 75. One dealer told me they were expecting a firmware update to fix contrast issues and deepen the colors. I hope to see the “updated” Mico. The first words out of my wife’s mouth were, “Is that really the projector you dragged me down here to see.” After seeing the Q and D series the night before I understood here disappointment. The Mico just looked good not great. A definite upgrade from an older single and even an older 3 chip, but not a replacement for a current generation 3 chip.

    I went into this past week with enthusiasm looking to replace my 18 month old Vidikron with a new LED lamp less projector that was going to blow away the competition. I found the one I want without a question in my mind. The Runco even with less light output rules the home theater room. I will tell you the truth I was really hoping the Mico/TruVue was going to win since AVS offers that projector for a retail of 2/3rd the price the Runco. To me this would have been the best of both worlds. Get the best projector for the cheapest of all three prices. Unfortunately I would rather save and wait to be able to afford a Runco Q-750i than know I could have had one for a few thousand more. It is not the price I am worried about, but the picture quality. The Runco makes you ask how much light is that. The Mico makes you ask what else do I get for 22K.
    So it is either Runco or bust for my next LED projector.

    I am not being paid by anyone for my review, I am not a rep nor have I been asked to write my impressions. I do not represent AVS and this is not at all in retaliation for removing my thread about the Runco. This is just one man’s opinion about the different LED and traditional projectors viewed.

    If you have any further questions please let me know. I am willing to speak to anyone if you want more information.
    Thank you so much for this...feel free to post any type of equipment on here...there are not political restraints on here..

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    Great stuff rovingtravler! You got me drooling!! Hope to see more from ya. I would kill for the D-73d!
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    I feel the same way about the Q-750i... Fantastic projector, and brighter than most people give it credit for.
    Is the 1500 just two 750's stacked?
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    It is; yes and no. It is a different body so they are connected not just stacked. Also the DHD controller is an outboard only unit. 1U design I believe. The D-73d has an outboard 4U controller for the 3d content.
    The 1500 can also be used with either top or bottom PJ on or both for max brightness.
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    I just received my Runco Q-750i on Monday and have been tweaking it all week! I hope to hang it in the theater this weekend.

    I will have a detailed review once I properly calibrate the PJ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rovingtravler View Post
    I just received my Runco Q-750i on Monday and have been tweaking it all week! I hope to hang it in the theater this weekend.

    I will have a detailed review once I properly calibrate the PJ.
    Did I miss your review? I would be interested in reading it.

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    No. I have not gotten to it yet. I am working on it. I have been busy changing out my pre/pro and lots of personal matters... good ones, just busy though. I will post it.

    I did get 10.1 FL on a 7 year old 1.1 gain eleite screen at 120" I do not htink that is half bad. It looks as bright as my Vidikron Vision 75 which was 13.4 FL on the same screen.
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