Panasonic ST30: Break-in + Pre-Panelling then Calibration-help needed

[Swuell]

Hi all,

So I just got my panny ST30 and i was wondering for the total amount of time would it require for both break-in period + pre-panel period for calibration period wouldnt that entail an total of 250-300 hours? Because using the pre-panel from D'nice's settings he had said not to use his pre-panel as an substituion or a break in method meaning you'd break-in the image first (using default factory settings(?)) for 150-200 hrs and than use D'nicest custom settings for the pre-panelling, and pre-panel for another 100 hrs (if i remember correctly) then for the final result of calibration?

Could someone help me confirm this-as I've done extensive research and this seems like what it means.. first HD TV plasma though.

Also about gaming, within the first few 100 hours if you do casual gaming on an hudless movie like game such as Heavy Rain, would that be alright? Because I know for the break in period you need to avoid games but that's usually referring about the huds used ingame which could cause burn in and retention.. so I'm wondering about an hudless game like Heavy Rain. :/


Or am I entirely wrong and Dnice's settings for the pre-panelling is the break-in period (aside from what he had stated in that post) because I have seen some people do that.. Also does anybody know if a certain set of slides (forgot the posters name) that are full screen 1080p wih 120 slides total ranging from common RGB to uncommon colors with a wide spectrum work well with DNICE's pre-panel settings?

Thanks, alot

[Nokturnal]

I'm not sure about the everything else, but gaming on my ST30 was fine under 100 hours along as you didn't abuse it, I would break it in for the first 20 hours, I wouldn't hop on right away and start gaming, but I'm sure a few small gaming sessions won't hurt it, just dont go on any marathons. (I beat dead island(and a few other games) with less then 100 hours on my TV and it has some pretty intense huds, I had very little IR) Just turn you're brightness/contrast down to 50 and keep an eye on it, change the channel once and a while to wash it out.

[MerlinWerks]

The wording does appear to be a bit ambiguous and people have misinterpreted it, but you do not do it as you have described. If you desire optimal results from these settings, everything you need is in that first post. If you hover over the text "Evangelo2's USB/SD Card Files" you'll find it is a link to download the slides you need, there are only 20. Use those and the settings in the first post for the FIRST 100 hrs. Do not watch any other content before doing the slides. This procedure is the same D'nice used prior to calibrating the sets and subsequently posting the settings. The idea is if you follow the same procedure exactly, you should come pretty close to the same results he got. IMHO, by running these slides you are effectively breaking in the panel.

[Swuell]

The wording does appear to be a bit ambiguous and people have misinterpreted it, but you do not do it as you have described. If you desire optimal results from these settings, everything you need is in that first post. If you hover over the text "Evangelo2's USB/SD Card Files" you'll find it is a link to download the slides you need, there are only 20. Use those and the settings in the first post for the FIRST 100 hrs. Do not watch any other content before doing the slides. This procedure is the same D'nice used prior to calibrating the sets and subsequently posting the settings. The idea is if you follow the same procedure exactly, you should come pretty close to the same results he got. IMHO, by running these slides you are effectively breaking in the panel.

From what I described? I said a total of 250-300 hours for breaking in vs. the general 150 hours.. that actually seems like what D'nice did which from what he had out was that thr pre-paneling was not an substitution, so its safe to say PRIOR to him setting up the system in order to do THE pre-paneling he must have broken the tv in already, either through aggresive or passive with normal tv settings and a general 50 range for contrast and brightness, and than AFTER did he go ahead and apply his settings in order to run thr slides in that specific setting for 100 hours only as a pre-paneling for calibration purposes... What I'm not getting is ehy so many people skip the initial step of breaking in and jump straight to pre-paneling and using that as a step to break in, when he has already stated those settings are to be used for 100 hours and not as a break in.


You must of misunderstood my question entirely.. because I'm going to be running the slides for a break in and to optimize it I'm pretty sure that would be to break it in first and than do thr pre-paneling...

Also those slide colors are not exactly right in terms of color, I four. another set of slides that had an more accurate color reproduction along the sRGB line up with other varying colors aside from the regular RGB. 120 in total... I just need to find that post again.

But thr process I am asking is this:

1. Break in the tv: 150-200 hours using normal break in settings/method; contrast and brightness 50 (with a few other details I have forgotten), running thr 120 slides continously.
2. Than set up the settings that Dnice had put for his PRE-PANELING accordingly: running thr slides again continously for 100 hours now.
-So a total of 250-300 hours for both the initial "Break-in" process and than the "Pre-paneling" process as Dnice had described to be able to calibrate the tv after.
3. Calibrate it..


Or is this just excessive?

Though I highly doubt so because from Dnice's post it seemed he had already pre-broken thr tv in and than ran the pre-paneling settings to do thr 100 hours running thr slides on top to get a more uniformed aging in order to be able to fully optimize calibration.

[tazz3]

after runing slides for any many hours as you want there is no need to watch the tv at 50 contratst the tv break in is over just use his settings and enjoy the tv

[Swuell]

after runing slides for any many hours as you want there is no need to watch the tv at 50 contratst the tv break in is over just use his settings and enjoy the tv

Oh so essentially I can use the pre-paneling as a break in, despite what he had said? Confused to be sure..

[malfon]

just do the 100 hours slide whit the photo settings and then after the 100 hours put the reference st30 settings and enjoy the tv

you must wait the 100 hours before watching the tv

thats what i'm doing right now

mine is ready monday 4:00 pm

[Swuell]

just do the 100 hours slide whit the photo settings and then after the 100 hours put the reference st30 settings and enjoy the tv

you must wait the 100 hours before watching the tv

thats what i'm doing right now

Huh, so much for thr breaking in process.. his words are so damn confusing lol. And shit, shoulda started on this earlier than... :/. You seen it uncalibrated yet?

And if your doing the 100 hour, what about the 150-200 hour which is yhe recomended time for break in, with 150 being thr minimum as opposed to 100?

Thanks. Let me know how your set turns out. Damn, the tv looks sexyy!

mine is ready monday 4:00 pm

[MerlinWerks]

I believe I understood your post and as I said in the first sentence the wording is a bit ambiguous and often misinterpreted. I read that whole thread in anticipation of my soon to be delivered GT30 and the same questions were asked multiple times and overwhelmingly the response was start with the slides first.

Relative to the 150 hrs, D'nice discovered there is a greyscale shift after about 130 hrs and I believe the general consensus is that it is advisable to run the slides for 150 hrs so any subsequent calibration happens after this greyscale shift occurs. And by calibration, I mean someone actually using a meter and software to actually measure and adjust a given display and not simply transferring settings found on the internet or the back of a cereal box

Now, what remains unclear is whether it is recommended to do 150 instead of 100 hrs as the panel prep for applying D'nice's settings. Someone just posted this question in the settings thread, we'll see if it gets answered.

[tazz3]

Oh so essentially I can use the pre-paneling as a break in, despite what he had said? Confused to be sure..

yes

[MerlinWerks]

Now, what remains unclear is whether it is recommended to do 150 instead of 100 hrs as the panel prep for applying D'nice's settings. Someone just posted this question in the settings thread, we'll see if it gets answered.

D'nice confirmed if you intend to use his settings, run the slides for 100 hrs.

[Swuell]

D'nice confirmed if you intend to use his settings, run the slides for 100 hrs.

I'm sorry, wasn't trying to come off as ignorant or anything. Just had a rough day when I had posted that.. my apologies again. was trying to clarify. Oh I see.. well than, damn it would help alot of DNICE could confirm. So he didn't do any pre-break in before he did that pre-paneling/break in with those settings?? :\ And how does that apply with Webapalooza's break in images? Would that require a different setting or could I use DNICE's settings for those images?

Also what does it mean for hte people that did 150-200 hours + when using his settings with the images lol..? Because I did remember his post stated only to be used 100 hours haha.. Well thanks for the confrimation by the way.

[Swuell]

thanks :D. Sorry about all this.

[Swuell]

By the way, anybody tried dCables yet? I heard it was the best retailing around 15 or so but on amazon it says 30+ though you can get it for 9.99 :D. Just ordered mine, first hdmi cable.

[trickhog]

By the way, anybody tried dCables yet? I heard it was the best retailing around 15 or so but on amazon it says 30+ though you can get it for 9.99 :D. Just ordered mine, first hdmi cable.

Monoprice is the way to go. I think there is a link on the main page of this site which also gets them the web-link percentage on the sale. So it's good, cheap and beneficial to Highdefjunkies. Everybody wins.....

[Swuell]

Monoprice is the way to go. I think there is a link on the main page of this site which also gets them the web-link percentage on the sale. So it's good, cheap and beneficial to Highdefjunkies. Everybody wins.....

Yeah, i saw that and was looking in to it recently but I saw a review on cables and Dcables was rated #2 for $9.99 on amazon with free 2-day shipping compared to the about $11 with ground shipping on monoprice. Dcables vs. Monoprice, monoprice was considered subpar and was missing all copper inside the cables (dont k.ow the exact terms). I can give you the link the link to the site if you want.

These two cables are both 1.4 certified with Ethernet capabilities. Was just wondering how these cables did, and if anybody had them. And these two are both 28 gauges, which I heard is the type most people here use anyways and works just fine as compared to the heavier 24 gauge.

I didn't even know highdefjunkies get a percentage :/.

[Swuell]

D'nice confirmed if you intend to use his settings, run the slides for 100 hrs.

does this work with webapoolza's more accurate slides as compared to Evangelo's?

[MerlinWerks]

It will still work, you won't get the same results, how far off is anybody's guess???

[Swuell]

It will still work, you won't get the same results, how far off is anybody's guess???

oh damn... . Well the other slides just use a more accurate color but I see what you mean.. but Dnices settings are reference because every tv is different right?

[MerlinWerks]

True, due to panel variation we'll only get pretty close just applying these settings as opposed to having an actual calibration. D'nice is an expert and this is the procedure he chose, there's no point in trying to second guess him. I'm sure if he felt there was a better way to accomplish this goal then that's what would be posted. There are many paths up the mountain, if you want to follow D'nice then use the aging procedure as written, otherwise as the man himself has said many times, "Your on your own"

FWIW, to expedite getting beyond the 200 hr mark, I'll probably get a hold of the slides your talking about and run them after the aging/settings application when my set is not in use. Perhaps that is unnecessary but couldn't hurt...