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    Hey everyone. I have a few questions and wanted some help from the knowledgeable people here. Patience has never been my strong suit. I had planned to delay gratification and slowly piece together a 5.1 system. Now here I am ready to throw down my money on a complete system just to enjoy something while I wait however many months it takes to take things to the next level. I'm now looking into some lower end stuff.

    First starting at the receiver. I don't need anything fancy, because I have a couple 4yr old TVs without ARC/3D etc., and will be running optical for audio. The TVs will probably break down before they're upgraded. Could be a while.

    I'm thinking about the Denon DHT-591BA HTIB. I figure the AVR-591 could last me a long time. Bonus that it's available at local Best Buys for easy free return. I would then slowly replace the Boston speakers. Probably start upgrading with new matching fronts(L,C,R) of my choice. Perhaps moving the Boston fronts to the rear for a mini surround upgrade at that point. Then new sub. Lastly the rears will get completely overhauled. I'm hoping the receiver will still be good enough and not worry about it until it's time to upgrade the TVs.

    Decent plan? or similar HTIB suggestion? Can you piece together a better complete 5.1 system at the $6-700price range to upgrade as I go? Maybe a cheap receiver and something like the Jamo s606 package?
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    Thats what I would suggest. I learned my mistake years ago on proprietary surround HTiB's like Sony and Panasonic have offered. These Denon's, as well as Onkyo's that give you a REAL rcvr, are the best, because you can upgrade it over time. Get the best one you can get now, enjoy it, and add speakers as you can. The 591 is 3D capable and 1.4, so it's in for the long haul.

    Id say your entire plan is pretty good. I went from a HTiB to Onkyo 605 and some Polks. Bought a Denon and then some Def Tech's, never looked back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elwaylite View Post
    Thats what I would suggest. I learned my mistake years ago on proprietary surround HTiB's like Sony and Panasonic have offered. These Denon's, as well as Onkyo's that give you a REAL rcvr, are the best, because you can upgrade it over time. Get the best one you can get now, enjoy it, and add speakers as you can. The 591 is 3D capable and 1.4, so it's in for the long haul.

    Id say your entire plan is pretty good. I went from a HTiB to Onkyo 605 and some Polks. Bought a Denon and then some Def Tech's, never looked back.
    That's good to know about the 591, i wasn't a 100% about what all the lower models were missing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneD View Post
    That's good to know about the 591, i wasn't a 100% about what all the lower models were missing.
    If you google that exact model number, denon has a pretty good page on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneD View Post
    Hey everyone. I have a few questions and wanted some help from the knowledgeable people here. Patience has never been my strong suit. I had planned to delay gratification and slowly piece together a 5.1 system. Now here I am ready to throw down my money on a complete system just to enjoy something while I wait however many months it takes to take things to the next level. I'm now looking into some lower end stuff.

    First starting at the receiver. I don't need anything fancy, because I have a couple 4yr old TVs without ARC/3D etc., and will be running optical for audio. The TVs will probably break down before they're upgraded. Could be a while.

    I'm thinking about the Denon DHT-591BA HTIB. I figure the AVR-591 could last me a long time. Bonus that it's available at local Best Buys for easy free return. I would then slowly replace the Boston speakers. Probably start upgrading with new matching fronts(L,C,R) of my choice. Perhaps moving the Boston fronts to the rear for a mini surround upgrade at that point. Then new sub. Lastly the rears will get completely overhauled. I'm hoping the receiver will still be good enough and not worry about it until it's time to upgrade the TVs.

    Decent plan? or similar HTIB suggestion? Can you piece together a better complete 5.1 system at the $6-700price range to upgrade as I go? Maybe a cheap receiver and something like the Jamo s606 package?
    If you are going with HTiB, like Elway said, you have the right idea by picking one with a real receiver. "Real" meaning that it is not a proprietary box that only connects to the speakers that are provided with the HTiB.

    My first 5.1 system was one from Onkyo. I followed a similar path to what you have described (used the system as is for a while, swapped out speakers, etc). I just recently retired it (recently as in about 2-3 months ago). I dont regret buying it at all, and in fact it still works.

    Onkyo made the best ones back then (best as in "bang for buck" for me). I would check out the onkyo's and denons that are comparable price ranges, and see if you can go to a big box store that might have one setup for you to listen to. A purist might tell you that "HTiB's suck", but for value and ease of putting something together, they usually are a real bargain, as long as you make sure you get one with a real receiver, and NOT one of those with the receiver / blu ray player bundled together...
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    check out the onkyo avx-280 5.1 really good and really cheap (it is actually the ht-3300 but it is sold by walmart) , really great sound and it has all the future proofing you will need.

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    I agree get a HTIB with a good receiver and you can add your speakers and subs down the road. Good plan.
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    Cool thanks everyone. I'm going to see what's available locally sometime soon in that same low level price line ..

    After checking out the Deals Forum here i'm tempted to try something cheap from those frequent Newegg sales. Seems like some of that stuff might have a little more power for my largish room, than those Boston satellites. And just pick up an AVR on the side.
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    Someone say Onkyo?
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    Quote Originally Posted by homank76 View Post
    Someone say Onkyo?
    Yes, both Onkyo and Denon...
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    Your avatar is scary. Nothing wrong with Denon, that's what my dad prefers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by homank76 View Post
    Your avatar is scary. Nothing wrong with Denon, that's what my dad prefers.
    What, my avatar? That's what I feel like with all of the radiation treatments being done to my head and the resulting vision difficulties...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loves2Watch View Post
    What, my avatar? That's what I feel like with all of the radiation treatments being done to my head and the resulting vision difficulties...
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    Quote Originally Posted by homank76 View Post
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    I would throw Yamaha into the ring as well, they make a nice HTIB IMO, I mean it really depends on which AVR you think is right for you.

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    Can anyone offer their thoughts on single woofer bookshelf speakers in a medium-large room. Specs to look for? I've read a sensitivity in the 90's and an over 5" woofer helps? I'm not sure if I should rule out single woofer bookshelf speakers from my setup. Or even the satellites from a HTIB for example.

    I know not all speakers are created equal, but any advice would help. My room is a 18'x19'x8'H box and the listen area can vary from 12 to 15 feet. Scares me into thinking I need more speaker and or cabinet size.
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    What would be the budget for the bookshelf's?

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    Well maybe as close to $300 a pair as possible. And that's pushing it. Hoping to find some used deals, but no guarantee.

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    Check these out, msrp is about $340. These appear to be what you are looking for, they are efficient, have a 5 1/2" driver and a very BIG sound.
    http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls....adigm-Atom-V5- There are so many good deals to be had from audiogon. There are some V.6 on there as well. Here is a small review I did on mine.
    http://www.highdefjunkies.com/showth...-amazing-value!

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    Alright thanks for that Caliber. I've been researching Paradigm for the last few hours. Unfortunately the nearest dealer is out of town, about a 150 mile round trip.

    Those audiogon deals are great. I searched my C-list and found a couple of similar deals . Both Atoms and Titans. They had the detachable grills, so they might be at least V.5's? Threw out some emails, so I'll see if I get any responses. May be a little harder to find a used matching Center speaker though.

    Also found a deal for the whole Cinema 110 5.1 system. That's caught my interest for being everything I need within my budget. Add a used receiver and I'm in business.

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