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    Hey guys here's the situation: I know much more about video than I know about audio, so I'm hoping I can lean on the expertise of everyone here to help me pick out an audio system. I currently live in an apartment and with the way the room is set up, I really don't have anywhere to put rear speakers, so I'm looking to put together a 3.0 or 3.1 system. Based on some of the reading I've done here, I went to a local (I live in Dallas) audio/video store and listened to some Paradigm speakers. Like I said, I'm more of a video guy than an audio guy, but the speakers sounded very good to me. I'm trying to keep the system to around $1,500 before taxes so that when I factor in taxes and the speaker stands the total cost ends up under $2,000. I'd be willing to go a little higher if the sound will be significantly better because I expect to keep this system (particularly the speakers) for a long time.

    When I told the salesman what I was looking for, he put this system together for me:

    Paradigm Mini Monitor V6 L/R - $500 for the pair
    Paradigm CC190 Center - $350
    Denon AVR 2112 - $650
    Polk PSWIII Sub - $300

    What are everyone's thoughts about the system?
    How are the prices?
    What do you think about pairing the Paradigm speakers with the Denon AVR?

    Thanks everyone for your input on my future system and the help you give to everyone else. This forum and the knowledgeable people on it are great resources and I just wanted to say thanks for all that everyone here does to help others out.

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    This looks like a really nice system for a small room Ty819. I would make one suggestion since you said you would spend a little more if it was worthwhile.

    Change the receiver to the AVR 1912. That will free up a hundred dollars you can then devote to a better sub. The Paradigm SE Sub is tiny but with a very nice amp and can be matched to your room with the PBK (Perfect Bass Kit). The receiver comes with a microphone that, with the Audessy feature, measures your room's acoustics and then optimizes each speaker channel's EQ. Amazing feature. Paradigm PBK does the same but only for deep bass and does a better more precise job than most receiver-based systems.

    Go talk to the guy at your local shop and tell him what you want, what you're prepared to spend and see where you end up. If he doesn't treat you with respect he's an idjit. Move on. A few watts or a couple of features typically means almost nothing but deeper, cleaner bass can transform your listening experience.
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    Thanks for the quick response. Here are a few of my thoughts/more questions:

    -What am I losing in going from the 2112 to the 1912? I compared them on Denon's website, and the biggest thing I saw was the warranty was 3 years for the 2112 but only 2 years on the 1912. I'm much more concerned about the sound quality differences between the two than the additional year of warranty because I think if the receiver is going to break it is much more likely to break within the first two years rather than between years 2 and 3. So, with that said, what would I lose in terms of sound quality in moving from the 2112 to the 1912.

    -On a similar note, do you think Denon is a good match with the Paradigms? I'm not as familiar with Yamaha's receivers, but a lot of people seem to be happy with them and I'm wondering whether it would be worth my time to go to a different store that carries Yamaha to see how I like them.

    -Thanks for the suggestion about the sub. I've done some reading about the PBK, and it seems like a great system. However, I haven't been able to find many prices for it because Paradigm doesn't put them on their website and they don't sell online. The only prices I have seen were from review articles, and they were around $800. If the street price is that high then I might just buy the receiver, center and L/R speakers now and save up more for the sub.

    -Finally, what do you think of the CC190 as a center channel? This system will be used much more for movies than it will be for music, so my initial thought was that if I were going to spend more on any component then it would be best spent on the center channel because of its importance for dialogue. So, in that context, do you think it would be worth it to perhaps upgrade the CC190 to something else? If so, what would you recommend and how much would it cost approximately?

    Thanks again for your help.

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    Another suggestion is the Denon avr891. This avr has no network connectivityand is not airplay capable. A great receiver though in every other way. This will save you approximately $263 dollars (see 6thave.com). As somebody mentioned put the savings in a better sub.
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    Also, check out the Yamaha rxv867 at newegg.com on sale around $440.
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    May I say something as a Polk sub owner? You can do much better. Ask Disco Batman as well, they can be a bit lacking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mytime View Post
    May I say something as a Polk sub owner? You can do much better. Ask Disco Batman as well, they can be a bit lacking.
    Which Polk sub do you have? I have 2 DSW Pro 600s and they are great
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    Great setup you are looking at but ditch the sub trust me you can do much better for the price. For the same price you could get an infinity ps210 that will destroy that polk sub. Polk subs in general are just boomy and sloppy sounding, anyone who has spent enough time with audio equipment will tell you polk is not known for their subs, you can always do better. If you are trying to stay in the $300-$400 range I would recommend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mytime View Post
    May I say something as a Polk sub owner? You can do much better. Ask Disco Batman as well, they can be a bit lacking.
    Thanks for the input. I'm trying to balance 1) my budget and 2) the fact that I'm going to be in an apartment for the next several years. I'd be willing to wait and save up more money for a better sub so the budget isn't the driving factor here, but I'm concerned that a sub that would give me quality sound would also earn me a lot of complaints from management and the neighbors. Am I wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by j4quattro View Post
    Also, check out the Yamaha rxv867 at newegg.com on sale around $440.
    That seems to be a really good price for a quality receiver. Does everyone think pairing the Paradigms with a yamaha would be a good match. As long as it's not a bad match I think I'm going to order the yamaha. I don't think I'll be able to find a higher quality receiver in that price range.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ty819 View Post
    Thanks for the input. I'm trying to balance 1) my budget and 2) the fact that I'm going to be in an apartment for the next several years. I'd be willing to wait and save up more money for a better sub so the budget isn't the driving factor here, but I'm concerned that a sub that would give me quality sound would also earn me a lot of complaints from management and the neighbors. Am I wrong?
    Not necessarily, sure the better subs have more power, but you do not need to use it nor is that what it is all about. It is about a good sub that creates nice tight deep bass that is not sloppy and covering up the sound from your loud speakers. These subs also blend in much better with your fronts creating a nice seamless sound stage. Money or not don't go with that polk, like I said the infinity is a much better choice and is cheaper. If you heard the two side by side you would hear what I am talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ty819 View Post
    That seems to be a really good price for a quality receiver. Does everyone think pairing the Paradigms with a yamaha would be a good match. As long as it's not a bad match I think I'm going to order the yamaha. I don't think I'll be able to find a higher quality receiver in that price range.
    The Yamaha and Paradigm will work together beautifully. The RXV 867 has everything you need featurewise and sounds great. $440 is pure theft. Go for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nobsplease View Post
    The Yamaha and Paradigm will work together beautifully. The RXV 867 has everything you need featurewise and sounds great. $440 is pure theft. Go for it.
    I agree!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by shiarua View Post
    Which Polk sub do you have? I have 2 DSW Pro 600s and they are great
    In all fairness it 's a low end PSW110. Like most brands the lower end are lacking. I should have been more specific and said as a lower end POLk sub owner. My apologies. I'm sure the higher end perform much better. But his price range was not higher end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mytime View Post
    In all fairness it 's a low end PSW110. Like most brands the lower end are lacking. I should have been more specific and said as a lower end POLk sub owner. My apologies. I'm sure the higher end perform much better. But his price range was not higher end.
    You shouldn't need to qualify that statement. Polk sub lack value per dollar, including their low budget. When compared to subs with street prices in their range, its hard to choose a Polk sub. PSW10 is often sold for $199. The budget Bic will out class the Polk in almost every way. The $300-400 range has many more options, including the infinity.

    Can I suggest that you skip the sub altogether and get some nice full range speakers. Some that can reproduce the LF, but not shake the apartment? Then, once you have a more isolated place, add a capable sub. To me, full range speakers really sound well and an be beneficial in your situation.

    The Yamaha is a great choice and hard to beat for the money.

    Paradigm is a great choice for speakers if you like the sound. They are quality built items.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ckone180 View Post
    You shouldn't need to qualify that statement. Polk sub lack value per dollar, including their low budget. When compared to subs with street prices in their range, its hard to choose a Polk sub. PSW10 is often sold for $199. The budget Bic will out class the Polk in almost every way. The $300-400 range has many more options, including the infinity.

    Can I suggest that you skip the sub altogether and get some nice full range speakers. Some that can reproduce the LF, but not shake the apartment? Then, once you have a more isolated place, add a capable sub. To me, full range speakers really sound well and an be beneficial in your situation.

    The Yamaha is a great choice and hard to beat for the money.

    Paradigm is a great choice for speakers if you like the sound. They are quality built items.
    Well I found a sale and got for $89. You get what you pay for. I almost went BIC. Seemed to have some bang for the buck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ckone180 View Post
    You shouldn't need to qualify that statement. Polk sub lack value per dollar, including their low budget. When compared to subs with street prices in their range, its hard to choose a Polk sub. PSW10 is often sold for $199. The budget Bic will out class the Polk in almost every way. The $300-400 range has many more options, including the infinity.

    Can I suggest that you skip the sub altogether and get some nice full range speakers. Some that can reproduce the LF, but not shake the apartment? Then, once you have a more isolated place, add a capable sub. To me, full range speakers really sound well and an be beneficial in your situation.

    The Yamaha is a great choice and hard to beat for the money.

    Paradigm is a great choice for speakers if you like the sound. They are quality built items.
    You know this is a very good idea, being that you are in an apartment you cant fully enjoy a sub weather it is budget one or not. Going with a set of towers might offer all the bass your neighbors can handle. Another idea is go with the minis and throw in some butt kickers.

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    Buttkickers, that's a winner!

    $89 for a Polk PSW10 sub is about its value, unfortunately. Polk speakers are decent stuff, but I don't look for their budget subs to get any better.
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    Thanks everyone for your responses and suggestions. Quick update: I've ordered the yamaha rxv867 and I like the paradigm mini monitors pretty well, so I'll probably end up going with those. I still am contemplating buying a better center channel, and I'm undecided about what to do for a sub. At this point, I have a couple more questions:

    -Speaker wire - I'm assuming it would be cheaper to buy this from an online dealer like monoprice. Is that right? If so, what gauge of wire would I need?
    -Speaker stands - Since I'm likely going with the Paradigm bookshelf speakers and I don't have anything to put them on, I'll need to buy a couple stands. Where should I look for these and what is a good price for them?

    Thanks again everyone

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    Monoprice for both the stands and wire. 16 gauge should be plenty, 14 ga if you wish. Someone around here has that nifty wire ga chart.

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